Perceptual dogmatism holds that if it perceptually seems to S that P, then S thereby has prima facie perceptual justification for P. But suppose Wishful Willy's desire for gold cognitively penetrates his perceptual experience and makes it seem to him that the yellow object is a gold nugget. Intuitively, his desire-penetrated seeming can't provide him with prima facie justification for thinking that the object is gold. If this intuitive response is correct, dogmatists have a problem. But if dogmatists have a problem, you do too (well, most of you anyway). Reliabilists have denounced dogmatism's cognitive penetration problems, but they have problems with cognitive penetration that are even worse.Perceptual dogmatism holds that if it perceptually seems to S that P, then S thereby has prima facie perceptual justification for P. 1 But suppose Wishful Willy's desire for gold cognitively penetrates his perceptual experience and makes it seem to him that the yellow object is a gold nugget. Intuitively, his desire-manipulated seeming can't provide him with prima facie justification for thinking that the object is gold. If this intuitive response is correct, dogmatists have a problem.Yet before you mock the speck in the dogmatist's eye, be sure that you don't have a plank in your own. Reliabilists, such as Alvin Goldman and Jack Lyons, have been quick to pounce on dogmatism for its implications regarding cognitive penetration, and Lyons has gone so far as to declare that reliabilism has special virtues on this topic. The truth, however, is that reliabilists have cognitive penetration problems that are even worse than those (allegedly) faced by the