Carl McDaniels has made contributions to professional counseling for nearly 40 years. He is well known for practical applications of career development theory such as the Virginia Tech Employee Career Development Program and the Virginia Career Information Delivery System, and for his theoretical formula "Career = Work + Leisure." In this interview, he reflects on transitions in his career as a counselor and a counselor educator. WORK Arden Gale (AG): You have worked in jobs that can be distinguished by different occupational titles, but reviewing your work life, you have, in common with Frank Parsons, the occupational theme of educator. The occupation in which you have Electronic Journal: To print this article select pages 90-95.