The title compounds, labeled both with deuterium and with carbon-14, have been subjected to nitrous acid deamination in acetic acid-sodium acetate solution. The yields of products have been determined by gpc, by isotope dilution, by liquid column chromatography, or by all three methods. The mechanistic implications of the data-namely that the "memory effects'' can be explained by counterion control and that the classical carbonium ion intermediates survive several 1,2 shifts-are discussed in detail. It is concluded either that "hot" carbonium ions are not necessary to explain the results, or that they must be redefined. a multiplicity of products (by comparison with the corresponding solvolyses). By definition,7 then, "hot" carbonium ions should have "lost most if not all of their sizzle"8 after a single hydride shift or Wagner-Meerwein rearrangement.