Abstract. The results of experiments designed to measure the operational phase cosine and sine variances of weak states of light disagree with the variances predicted by canonical phase formalisms. As these variances are fundamental manifestations of the quantum nature of phase, it is important to be able to measure the canonical variances also. A recent suggestion to do so, based on use of a two-component probe, involves the difficult preparation of exotic states of light which have not yet been produced. In this paper we show how the variances can be measured with simple coherent state inputs.The retrodictive formalism of quantum mechanics provides useful insight into the physics involved.3