“…Even though “dreaming and waking life-worlds are indiscemable as unreflectively lived” (Globus, 1987, p. 89), that is, phenomenologically similar, there is no need to assume that an objective dream world of dream surfaces, dream light waves, and dream retinas is needed to explain the subjective experience. This concept is developed in Gillespie (1997). I cannot comment on telepathic dreams (Ullman, Krippner, & Vaughan, 1973; Van de Castle, 1994) or precognitive dreams (Van de Castle, 1994), where something different appears to be happening.The elementary state of seeing is the visual experience of two-dimensional geometric forms and related imagery, including at least hypnopompic geometric imagery, both lattice and oscillating (Gillespie, 1989, 1997; Ladd, 1892/1964; Shepard, 1978), elementary hallucinatory forms due to taking drugs (Horowitz, 1975; Siegel, 1977; Siegel & Jarvik, 1975) or due to sensory deprivation (Slade & Bentall, 1988), forms that follow the movement of the eye, such as pressedeye (Sacks, 1992; Shepard, 1978) or migraine imagery (Richards, 1971; Sacks, 1992), and forms of light (subjective brightness) associated with lucid dreaming (Chang, 1963; Gillespie, 1989, 1992; Gyatso, 1982) or mysticism (see especially Eliade, 1962/1965).…”