“…It is unclear, for instance, whether factors such as hospital affiliation may affect not only the presence or absence of chaplains, but also what these professionals do, how they are organized, and fill and see their roles and how the professionals, patients, and families perceive these spiritual care providers. Antoine et al (2021Antoine et al ( , 2022 interviewed 11 healthcare leaders (e.g., the director of patient relations and chief nursing officer) and 14 chaplain managers, and reported that the healthcare leaders saw chaplains' value in supporting staff in tragic situations and organizational change, and felt they supported chaplains, despite financial strains on the institution (Antoine et al, 2021(Antoine et al, , 2022. These institutions varied in how they staffed and integrated spiritual care programs, but saw the value of chaplains in helping staff and patients (through providing quality care, responding to patient and staff needs and having experience in the complex hospital milieu) (Antoine et al, 2022).…”