In this chapter we argue that when the UK government engaged publics during the coronavirus (COVID-19) pandemic, it did so in ways that reduced them to imagined publics or passive objects to be measured, rather than elevating them as active citizens whose values should be incorporated into decision-making. 1 To support this claim, we provide a brief survey of pandemic public engagement, contrasting the diverse range of activities conducted by non-central government agencies with the limited way the UK government engaged publics during the pandemic, remaining on the lower rungs of Sherry Arnstein's (1969) ladder of citizen participation (Figure 6.1).We highlight how the narratives and policies deployed by the government actively removed values from policymaking and communication with publics. This reflected a hollowing out of values in policy, supposedly justified by the oft-repeated scientistic mantra, 'follow the science' (GOV.UK, 2020: 8), an impossible guiding principle given the irreducible trade-offs governments face during a pandemic, but one which demonstrated a disinclination to engage with the plurality of values that publics would bring to policy questions.This status quo posed a challenge for those who wished to engage publics more substantively in pandemic decision-making. In our experience, centring the perspectives of publics can uncover new questions, positions and values that may be neglected in their absence, particularly because of the epistemic benefits that engaging diverse non-expert publics can bring (Bohman, 2006;Landemore, 2013). This is a very different activity from providing direct guidance on the questions and policy challenges that 6