Ordering is indicated by what we perceive of the world, like for instance the behavior of water, as water appears always to flow downwards. Since we do not assume that water will flow otherwise when not perceived by us, ordering is assumed to be real. Time order specifically relates to sky movements. Sky movements are widely used to order human practices for farming and religious beliefs. This is usually understood to be caused by a person's one way voluntary practical choice for a stellar guide. However human beliefs and the human body and its possibilities and restrictions do lead to both voluntary and involuntary aspects. I propose a two way correlation by introducing spiritual properties for persons and objects. Spiritual properties 'speak out' of integral life and longing. For persons this is a more obvious concept. Art objects, like artistic drawings, make this conceivable for objects too. It is like crying: , as a reaction to pain: quite involuntary and inevitable. Personal is the choice, or maybe one might say: the education, of the expression . Correlation between sky movements and traditional practices for farming and religious beliefs from Indonesia and Neolithic northwestern Europe will be discussed and compared. Entanglement of subsistence practices and sky symmetries forms patterns of mutual influence and determination similar to those in physics. Translational and rotational symmetries of the sky universe turn out to be interwoven with respectively hunter-gatherer practices and farmer practices and their private ornaments worn on their body. The author would like to thank Gustaff Iskandar, Commonroom, Bandung, Indonesia, for creating the title's part Time Order for the relation between traditional rice farming and sky calendars and for valuable information and suggestions. Gustaff Iskandar confirmed her own interest in both traditional farming and in physics and astronomy.