Proposals for novel spin--orbitronic logic 1 and memory devices 2 are often predicated on assumptions as to how materials with large spin--orbit coupling interact with ferromagnets when in contact. Such interactions give rise to a host of novel phenomena, such as spin--orbit torques 3,4 , chiral spin--structures 5,6 and chiral spin--torques 7,8 . These chiral properties are related to the anti--symmetric exchange, also referred to as the interfacial Dzyaloshinskii--Moriya interaction (DMI) 9,10 . For numerous phenomena, the relative strengths of the symmetric Heisenberg exchange and the DMI is of great importance. Here, we use optical spin--wave spectroscopy (Brillouin light scattering) to directly determine the DMI vector ! D for a series of Ni 80 Fe 20 /Pt samples, and then compare the nearest--neighbor DMI coupling energy with the independently measured Heisenberg exchange integral. We find that the Ni 80 Fe 20 --thickness--dependencies of both the microscopic symmetric--and antisymmetric--exchange are identical, consistent with the notion that the basic mechanisms of the DMI and Heisenberg exchange essentially share the same underlying physics, as was originally proposed by Moriya 11 . While of significant fundamental importance, this result also leads us to a deeper understanding of DMI and how it could be optimized for spin--orbitronic applications.Recent experimental results have demonstrated how the interplay of symmetric (Heisenberg) exchange and anti--symmetric (DMI) exchange together with anisotropy can give rise to a variety of magnetostatic phenomena, such as magnetic skyrmion lattices 12 , spiral spin structures 13 and chiral domain walls 14 . In bilayer materials with a sufficiently thin, perpendicular magnetized ferromagnet (FM) adjacent to a metal with large spin--orbit coupling in the conduction band, a large DMI favors Néel domain walls with a fixed chirality 15 as opposed to Bloch walls. The combination of a chiral domain wall structure and spin--orbit torque can give rise to fast current induced domain wall motion 3 . The direction and the speed are both dependent on the sign and the strength of the DMI and the spin--orbit torque 8,7 . Moreover, theory for a Rashba model predicts that the interfacial spin--orbit torque is proportional to the ratio of symmetric and anti--symmetric exchange 16 . Thus, direct determination of both the DMI and Heisenberg exchange is crucial for the understanding of the underlying physics in such materials systems and a better understanding of the spin--orbit torques.To date, direct measurements of anti--symmetric exchange are limited to exotic measurement techniques that can only be applied to a few highly specialized sample systems. For example, the DMI constant has been measured via synchrotron--based X--ray scattering interferometry for the weak ferromagnet FeBO 3 17 , by spin--polarized electron energy loss spectroscopy for an atomic bilayer of Fe on W(110) 18 and by spin--polarized scanning tunneling microscopy for atomic monolayer Mn on W(110) 5 .Until...