Abstract. Studies in the systems Cs-Na-Cu-Si and Cs-Na-Zn-Si yielded the novel clathrates Cs 8 Na 16 (Cu,Si) 136 and Cs 8 Na 16 (Zn,Si) 136 , both with the cubic type-II structure [space group Fd3m (no. 227), Pearson symbol cF160]. The structures of the title compounds were established from single-crystal X-ray diffraction methods, confirming the complete ordering of the Cs and Na guest atoms. The frameworkbuilding Si atoms are found to be randomly substituted by Cu atoms on framework site 96g, exclusively. In the structure of Cs 8 Na 16 (Zn,Si) 136 , the refinements indicate that the Zn and Si atoms