“…The above-mentioned formation of the hydrobromide of 3-ketooctahydropyrrocoline (XII) seemed rather unusual in that amides are not usually thought other examples of this phenomenon in addition to the hydrochloride formation of XII, reported by Loeffler and Kaim (4), we found that 4-ketoquinolizidine (XXI) forms a hydrochloride (39,40); no attempt at salt formation was reported on 3-ketopyrrolizidine (41), and 5-ketooctahydropyrrocoline is not described in the literature. More complex examples of nitrogen-bridgehead lactams that have salt-forming properties are cytisine (XXII) which forms a dihydrochloride (42) [as also does oxycytisine (43)] and lupanine, XXIII, which likewise forms a dihydrochloride (44). We hope to later present a satisfactory explanation of this phenomenon.…”