The present paper is related to some recent studies in Abdollahi and Russo ['On a problem of P. Hall for Engel words', Arch. Math. (Basel) 97 (2011), 407-412] and Fernández-Alcober et al. ['A note on conciseness of Engel words', Comm. Algebra 40 (2012), 2570-2576] on the position of the n-Engel marginal subgroup E * n (G) of a group G, when n = 3, 4. Describing the size of E * n (G) for n = 3, 4, we show some generalisations of classical results on the partial margins of E * 3 (G) and E * 4 (G). 2010 Mathematics subject classification: primary 20E10; secondary 20F45, 20F14, 20D45.