Abstract:I share the view expressed by Simon Deakin, David Gindis, and Geoffrey Hodgson (‘DGH’) that social scientists need to consider the constitutive role of law in their disciplines. This is particularly the case for economists working on the theory of the firm and on institutions more generally. Their analyses are often built on assumptions about the legal system which do not correspond to reality. One major issue is the generalized confusion between the concepts of ‘corporation’ and ‘firm’. In day-to-day parlance… Show more
“…We turned to dictionary definitions and other sources to note the everyday meaning for the noun ‘firm’. We agree with Robé (2021: 7) that ‘there is great confusion in the use of the words “company”, “business”, “firm”, “corporation”, “enterprise”, and so on.' But our search of dictionaries and other relevant sources established – contra Robé – that standard usage considers a corporation as a type of firm (Deakin et al ., 2021: 863–865).…”
Section: Adopting Prevalent Usages Of Words Does Not Mean Replicating...supporting
confidence: 60%
“…Robé disagrees with our definition of a firm as ‘individuals or organizations with the legally recognized capacity to produce goods or services for sale’ (Deakin et al ., 2021: 869). Robé (2021: 1–2) protested that ‘this definition gives the impression that firms are legal persons … Firms are not creatures of the law. … In all legal systems, having a ‘legally recognized capacity to produce goods or services for sale’ implies, at least, having legal personality.’ For Robé, the law does not perceive the firm as such and only sees individual legal persons or incorporated legal persons.…”
Section: Robé's Departure From Common Usage Among Lawyersmentioning
confidence: 99%
“…After pressure from us to distinguish taxonomic definitions from descriptions, Robé now seems to have abandoned the task of defining the firm. Hence Robé (2021: 5–7) changed his former definition of the firm (an ‘organised economic activity’) to ‘my description of what a firm is’. In short, Robé (2021) now refrains from definitions and has switched to descriptions.…”
Section: Adopting Prevalent Usages Of Words Does Not Mean Replicating...mentioning
confidence: 99%
“…Hence Robé (2021: 5–7) changed his former definition of the firm (an ‘organised economic activity’) to ‘my description of what a firm is’. In short, Robé (2021) now refrains from definitions and has switched to descriptions.…”
Section: Adopting Prevalent Usages Of Words Does Not Mean Replicating...mentioning
confidence: 99%
“…Some of these are generously acknowledged by Robé himself. But differences remain (Deakin et al ., 2017, 2021; Robé, 2020, 2021). We all agree that social scientists need to consider more broadly the constitutive role of law in modern socio-economic systems.…”
Despite agreement on many points, including our shared insistence that ‘corporation’ and ‘firm’ are different concepts, Jean-Philippe Robé still maintains that they are mutually exclusive: no corporation is a firm, and no firm is a corporation. In contrast, we follow standard nomenclature when we point out that all (business) corporations are firms, but some firms are not corporations. We show here that this is a standard practice among lawyers writing in leading law journals and note that Robé seems to have abandoned the task of defining the firm.
“…We turned to dictionary definitions and other sources to note the everyday meaning for the noun ‘firm’. We agree with Robé (2021: 7) that ‘there is great confusion in the use of the words “company”, “business”, “firm”, “corporation”, “enterprise”, and so on.' But our search of dictionaries and other relevant sources established – contra Robé – that standard usage considers a corporation as a type of firm (Deakin et al ., 2021: 863–865).…”
Section: Adopting Prevalent Usages Of Words Does Not Mean Replicating...supporting
confidence: 60%
“…Robé disagrees with our definition of a firm as ‘individuals or organizations with the legally recognized capacity to produce goods or services for sale’ (Deakin et al ., 2021: 869). Robé (2021: 1–2) protested that ‘this definition gives the impression that firms are legal persons … Firms are not creatures of the law. … In all legal systems, having a ‘legally recognized capacity to produce goods or services for sale’ implies, at least, having legal personality.’ For Robé, the law does not perceive the firm as such and only sees individual legal persons or incorporated legal persons.…”
Section: Robé's Departure From Common Usage Among Lawyersmentioning
confidence: 99%
“…After pressure from us to distinguish taxonomic definitions from descriptions, Robé now seems to have abandoned the task of defining the firm. Hence Robé (2021: 5–7) changed his former definition of the firm (an ‘organised economic activity’) to ‘my description of what a firm is’. In short, Robé (2021) now refrains from definitions and has switched to descriptions.…”
Section: Adopting Prevalent Usages Of Words Does Not Mean Replicating...mentioning
confidence: 99%
“…Hence Robé (2021: 5–7) changed his former definition of the firm (an ‘organised economic activity’) to ‘my description of what a firm is’. In short, Robé (2021) now refrains from definitions and has switched to descriptions.…”
Section: Adopting Prevalent Usages Of Words Does Not Mean Replicating...mentioning
confidence: 99%
“…Some of these are generously acknowledged by Robé himself. But differences remain (Deakin et al ., 2017, 2021; Robé, 2020, 2021). We all agree that social scientists need to consider more broadly the constitutive role of law in modern socio-economic systems.…”
Despite agreement on many points, including our shared insistence that ‘corporation’ and ‘firm’ are different concepts, Jean-Philippe Robé still maintains that they are mutually exclusive: no corporation is a firm, and no firm is a corporation. In contrast, we follow standard nomenclature when we point out that all (business) corporations are firms, but some firms are not corporations. We show here that this is a standard practice among lawyers writing in leading law journals and note that Robé seems to have abandoned the task of defining the firm.
The nature of separate legal personality is a perennial debate in corporate law. This paper uses insights from a previous iteration of the debate to argue that separate legal personality is best seen as a two-step process: it is a concession from the state to something real. That real thing is the economic concept of the firm, which has been recently debated within institutional economics. Viewing separate legal personality as a two-step process lets us explore whether the concession of separate legal personality is operating as it should. Law imposes no prerequisite requirement that a firm exists before establishing a company, nor limits firms to only one company. Law thus facilitates misalignments between the firm and the company. Such misalignments will only occur if two constituencies within the company structure – the ultimate shareholders and directors – consider it in their interests to create such misalignment. As a result, these misalignments harm third parties by allowing risk to be exported to them through opportunistic misalignment. This paper then explores the methods of misalignment and reviews current legal tools which are available to be deployed to re-align the company to the firm, and argues that they should be deployed.
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