Doxography and Dialectic. The Sitz im Leben of the ‘Placita’

Mansfeld, Jaap; Haase, Wolfgang

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“…5) is far less accurate in his rapportage, and places himself in a sceptical and Christian tradition, in which it is a major aim to reveal the contradictions in pagan philosophies. Mansfeld (1990a) has also emphasized that the collection of opinions taken from Theophrastus has undergone many changes and influences: it would be rather naïve to assume that the collection could have remained fixed for such a long time. We should not forget that the sophists already assembled lists of opinions: Gorgias pointed mostly to disagreements and differences, while Hippias collected them with a view to showing similarities (Mansfeld 1986).…”

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A.6. The Presocratics in the doxographical tradition. Sources, controversies, and current research

Baltussen

2010

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In this paper I present a synthetic overview of recent and ongoing research in the field of doxography, that is, the study of the nature, transmission and interrelations of sources for ancient Greek philosophy. The latest revisions of the theory of Hermann Diels (Doxographi Graeci 1879) regarding the historiography ought to be known more widely, as they still influence our understanding of the Presocratics and their reception. The scholarly study on the compilations of Greek philosophical views from Hellenistic and later periods has received a major boost by the first of a projected three-volume study by Mansfeld and Runia (1997). Taking their work as a firm basis I also describe my own work in this area and how it can be related to, and fitted into, this trend by outlining how two important sources for the historiography of Greek philosophy, Theophrastus (4th-3rd c. BCE) and Simplicius (early 6th c. AD) stand in a special relation to each other and form an important strand in the doxographical tradition. * This is a revised and slightly expanded English version of a paper delivered in French at the Sorbonne in January 2002, and to be published as 'Les Présocratiques dans la Doxographie: la transmission et la recherche récente' in Recherches sur les Présocratiques, sous la direction de Gilbert Romeyer Dherbey, études réunies par Marwan Rashed (Paris: Vrin, 2006). My thanks to the referee for helpful comments on the final version.

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A.6. The Presocratics in the doxographical tradition. Sources, controversies, and current research

Baltussen

2010

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“…Der Vorschlag wird zwar nicht ohne gewisse vorsichtige Einschränkungen vorgelegt; 3 ) dem Normalbenutzer bleibt die volle Problematik der These jedoch zweifellos verborgen und der Umstand, daß sie seit dem Erscheinen von L & S schon mehr als einmal widerlegt worden ist, höchst wahrscheinlich unbekannt. 4 ) Der wesentlichste Beitrag ist von Jaap Mansfeld (1993) geleistet worden, dessen scharfsinnige und auf massiver Beherrschung des Materials fußende Argumentation hätte genügen müssen, um die These auszumerzen. 5 ) Eine erneute Besprechung der spezi schen textkritischen und interpretatorischen Schwierigkeiten der Quellentexte selber würde auch nichts wesentlich Neues zutagefördern und ist hier nicht beabsichtigt.…”

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“…Die Gefahr unkritischen Hinnehmens der Theorie ist im Falle von Long (1986) eher größer, da der zur Verfügung stehende Raum hier beschränkter ist und die These wesentlich zuversichtlicher formuliert wird (Long 1986: 142 f.). 4) S. etwa Santoro (2000: 62-5 und 151 f.), sowie besonders Mansfeld (1993), wozu im folgenden. Zur Geschichte der Theorie vor L & S s. Mansfeld (1993: 173 Anm.…”

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“…Meine Übersetzung schließt teilweise an Lemke (1973: 95) an. Nebenbei sei bemerkt, daß ich persön-lich-anders als Mansfeld (1993)-überzeugt bin, daß der Urtext entweder a deo a uat oder ad nos ad uat gehabt hat. Wie daraus schon früh die Lesung ad deos ad uat entstehen konnte, läßt sich paläographisch unschwer erklären (Lemke 1973: 54).…”

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Sind Die Epikureischen Götter 'Thought-Constructs?'

Schiebe¹

2003

Mnemosyne

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This paper examines the tacit implications of the theory proposed by A.A. Long and D.N. Sedley, according to which Epicurus did not believe that the gods were eternal living beings consisting of body and soul-this would be in con ict with the general atomistic principle of compounds as subject to eventual dissolution-but assumed instead that they are created in the human mind by the very act of imagination. Thus, they are eternal, not as living beings but as imagined living beings, and as concepts. It is argued that this alleged solution to the question how the Epicurean gods could be eternal does not do away with the problem; on the contrary, the implications and consequences of the arguments given in support of the theory, when made explicit, turn out to result in a scenario that is wholly inconceivable. Taken together with the long recognized fact-not contested by L & Sthat the primary sources speak against the theory, these results should lead to its de nite dismissal. Admittedly, if the Epicureans held the gods to consist of some kind of body and soul, there is a con ict, but a con ict much easier to live with than the diYculties accompanying the proposed solution.

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“…;Morsink (1982);Beriger (1989), 81ff. ;Mansfeld (1990), id. (1992),Baltussen (1993),Algra (1995),Baltussen (1996),Mansfeld (1996).Brought to you by | Cornell University Library Authenticated Download Date | 6/25/15 7:49 AM…”

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The Purpose of Theophrastus' de Sensibus Reconsidered

Baltussen¹

1998

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Doxography and Dialectic. The Sitz im Leben of the ‘Placita’

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A.6. The Presocratics in the doxographical tradition. Sources, controversies, and current research

A.6. The Presocratics in the doxographical tradition. Sources, controversies, and current research

Sind Die Epikureischen Götter 'Thought-Constructs?'

The Purpose of Theophrastus' de Sensibus Reconsidered

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