2016
DOI: 10.48550/arxiv.1606.08396
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Revisiting the Lie-group symmetry method for turbulent channel flow with wall transpiration

Abstract: The Lie-group-based symmetry analysis, as first proposed in Avsarkisov et al. (2014) and then later modified in Oberlack et al. (2015), to generate invariant solutions in order to predict the scaling behavior of a channel flow with uniform wall transpiration, is revisited. By focusing first on the results obtained in Avsarkisov et al. (2014), we failed to reproduce two key results: (i) For different transpiration rates at a constant Reynolds number, the mean velocity profiles (in deficit form) do not universal… Show more

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“…Thus, generating a useful statistical scaling law within Avsarkisov et al (2014) for any higher order velocity moment, which goes beyond the mean velocity profile, is predetermined to fail when considering all facts discussed herein. Indeed, this failure is confirmed in Khujadze & Frewer (2016).…”
Section: Discussionmentioning
confidence: 83%
“…Thus, generating a useful statistical scaling law within Avsarkisov et al (2014) for any higher order velocity moment, which goes beyond the mean velocity profile, is predetermined to fail when considering all facts discussed herein. Indeed, this failure is confirmed in Khujadze & Frewer (2016).…”
Section: Discussionmentioning
confidence: 83%
“…The reason for this failure is that the proposed scalings in [1] are not solutions to the statistical Navier-Stokes equations, as incorrectly claimed, simply because these scalings are based on two nonphysical invariances (Eqs. [8][9] that violate the classical principle of cause and effect between the fluctuations and the mean fields [3][4][5][6][7][8]. This violation is suppressed and therefore not visible when analyzing the symmetry-based scaling of the full-field correlations, but becomes measurable and clearly visible when analyzing the corresponding fluctuation correlations.…”
Section: A Brief Synopsis Of What Will Be Shown and Analyzedmentioning
confidence: 99%
“…To note is that this symmetry-based scaling failure is not specific to channel flow. It can also be clearly seen in other flow configurations when turbulence-relevant moments are explicitly matched to data [3,[9][10][11], and simply stems from the fact that this failure is methodologically rooted in the symmetry-based scaling approach as developed by Oberlack et al over the last two decades.…”
Section: A Brief Synopsis Of What Will Be Shown and Analyzedmentioning
confidence: 99%
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“…The even later studies, e.g., in Oberlack & Rosteck (2010); Oberlack & Zieleniewicz (2013); Wac lawczyk et al (2014) and Avsarkisov et al (2014) also suffer from the additional problem that new unphysical symmetries are generated, which in turn violate the classical principle of cause and effect. For more details, we refer to our other comments and reviews, Frewer et al (2014); Frewer (2015a); Frewer et al (2015a; Frewer & Khujadze (2016a); Khujadze & Frewer (2016), and to our reactions in Frewer (2015b); Frewer et al (2015bFrewer et al ( , 2016c and .…”
Section: Appendix a Complete List Of All Technical Errors In Oberlack...mentioning
confidence: 99%